Isaiah in the Book of Mormon : 2 Nephi Chapters 12-27

Question.

Why are there passages of Isaiah in the Book of Mormon written around 559 – 545 B.C in 2 Nephi Chapters 12-27 that are word for word out of the Kings James Bible since the Kings James version of the bible didn’t come out until the 17th century?

How could the people back then have known the exact words, and phrases that would be chosen for the Kings James version?   There were many debates over which words to use in the Kings James Version that have the same meaning as other words. How could they have known which words and phrases were going to be decided upon? There are often many word combinations possible to get the exact message across when doing a translation.

It is worrisome that the Kings James Version was the version that Joseph Smith was the most familiar with and was the popular translation of the day.

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9 Responses to Isaiah in the Book of Mormon : 2 Nephi Chapters 12-27

  1. BOMC says:

    More appropriately should be asked “Why the quotes by Isaiah in the Book of Mormon are not the same as those in the Bible if Joseph was merely copying from the King James.”

    See: http://bomchristian.com/c/en/kjv

    You’re dates are questionable. Can you give a source?

    • sarah says:

      That is actually not a better question because text is simple to add to (which is what is mostly done) or subtract from or to change words slightly from a text that you are copying from so that it looks different on purpose, then to be able to know what words and phrases will be chosen in a future biblical version of the Bible. Copying with slight changes is done all the time by people who want to claim other writings as their own; however, being able to write someone’s writings that haven’t been written yet would be impossible and suspicious. The dates are not in question. The Book of Mormon dates are at the bottom of the page inside the book and as far as the Kings James Version -when it was first written is not a mystery. You can google it and find it from many different sources. One is http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/#timeline . Most of the writing in Nephi is word for word out of the King James Version.

  2. BOMC says:

    @Sarah: “Why are there passages of Isaiah in the Book of Mormon written around 559 – 545 B.C in 2 Nephi Chapters 12-27 that are word for word out of the Kings James Bible since the Kings James version ”

    Answer:Isaiah lived 758 – 698 B.C. There is not a conflict on dates.

    @Sarah: “Why are there passages of Isaiah in the Book of Mormon written around 559 – 545 B.C in 2 Nephi Chapters 12-27 that are word for word out of the Kings James Bible since the Kings James version

    Answer: The same reason Jesus and Paul did. They liked Isaiah. Your concern of plagiarism is wrong. Nephi referenced his source. Your reaching for sure.

    Incidentally does your Home Teacher, Visiting Teacher, or Bishop know you’re asking these questions?

  3. sarah says:

    It is not a matter of whether or not Isaiah lived before the Book of Mormon writings, but that the Book of Mormon has 200 verses of Isaiah that are word for word out of the Kings James VERSION of the Bible with no changes. It is the exact replica of words from the very modern VERSION. Of course there were old versions of scripture, so they should have replicated those to prove authenticity.
    Furthermore, Jesus and Paul never quoted the King James Version of the Bible. What Jesus actually said varies today depending on which translation you are reading.
    See here: http://bible.cc/mark/5-9.htm

    What Version of Scripture Did Jesus Read?
    In what language was the Bible Jesus read?
    Most scholars today believe, Jesus spoke primarily in Aramaic, though he sometimes might have used Greek and perhaps even Hebrew. What Bible was He most likely to have read and heard read in the synagogue? The answer is that He most likely heard and read Scripture in Greek and occasionally in Hebrew. He then interpreted in Aramaic. How much of this interpertation was actually written down in Jesus’ day is difficult to tell. It is probably safer to assume that most of this Aramaic tradition circulated orally and only generations later was committed to writing.
    The Dead Sea Scrolls; (a collection of biblical and other texts from around the first century BC)—have shown that our Old Testament existed in several forms at the time of Jesus. There could have been as many as four Hebrew-language versions.
    Source: http://www.christian-article-bank.com/Art/3929/2/What-version-of-Scripture-did-Jesus-use.html
    http://www.ctlibrary.com/ct/1999/april26/9t5098.html

    Anyway, I have since found the answer to my question here: http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/qa/bom_plagerize_kjv.htm

    Although it is not very convincing and the other information regarding the Septuagint, or LXX (which I did not know about) also puts the New Testament into question.

    • TAO says:

      Why not include 200 direct verses XD. Remember what Nephi said about the words of Isaiah… he WANTED to include them in there… and Moroni probably picked up on this and included them in.

      As said, when Isaiah lived is not known exactly. Dates are skewed.

      Actually, you will also notice that besides those 200 verses which are the same, there are also more than that number of verses that aren’t… expected considering Bible translation errors and such.

      Also, remember… why are you getting lost in proof… it’s gonna make you more confused =P.

  4. BOMC says:

    Whatever your interest is, it’s important to recognize the fact that no one has found a alleged source for where Joseph got the preaching in the Book of Mormon. Nor do anti’s understand that Joseph failed to use The Book. Better yet, how their life would change if they adhered to the teachings in the Book of Mormon.

  5. sarah says:

    There are no teachings about how to live your life in the Book of Mormon that are not already included in the Bible. If you think there is a teaching in there that directly tells someone how to live their life and it is not already in the Bible please let me know what that is. I am not referring to a different way to see God or something. I am specifically asking if there is any teaching in the Book of Mormon on how to live your life that is not already included in the Bible. If there is, please tell me the verse or passages of scripture. Thank you.

    • TAO says:

      Hmmmm… I’d have to disagree here… I’d say there’s no teachings in the Book of Mormon that aren’t taught by God.

      Example… Paradise/Prison as a waiting zone as taught by Alma.

  6. BOMC says:

    Correct.

    So why do people fear the Book of Mormon???

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